Posts by Sea Breeze

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

Sea Breeze

@Anony Mous

The reference to Gen. 25: 18 is a typo - incorrect. It should be Gen. 35: 18

"And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Biblical Death (which is the only one that matters) is the separation of the soul/spirit/body construct. Those three things form our species - man (Or woman) as scriptures plainly state.

The generally held view is that information has no mass. Likewise, the generally held view of photons, the particles that carry light, have no mass either. Experimental physicists like to push the limits of testing, but establishing zero is hard to do. Recently, some researchers established that photons weigh less than 10 to the 24th power smaller than the mass of an electron, which itself in 100 million times smaller than an atom. Experiments at this level are fascinating. And, it is (probably) zero. But if not, you probably won't have many theologians having much of a problem attributing a soul with a similar undetectible amount of mass/energy.

How Does Special Relativity Predict That Photons Have No Mass? (Simple Mathematical Proof)

"One of the consequences of Einstein’s theory of special relativity is that particles which move at the speed of light (c), can’t have any mass. Or another way to say it is that particles with mass can’t move at the speed of light.

For photons, which of course move at the speed of light, this prediction indeed happens to be true. But how exactly does special relativity predict this?

The answer is very simple and to see it, you only need one of the fundamental results of special relativity, which is the formula for relativistic total energy"

Now let's think about the number 3 (a nice biblical number). Does it have mass? Can you wear it out? If I use it for weeks and then give it to you, will it still be new? In other words, does it decay? Is it real?

But, going back to your original cited experiment by Vopson: If He is correct and information does have mass after all, then Materialists have a much bigger problem on their hands. Holloway explains:

"Let’s accept that creation of information can indeed increase the amount of energy and mass in a system. But, according to the conservation of energy, the energy in a closed system remains constant. So, if Vopson is correct we now have a mystery because his theory is in tension with the conservation of energy. The only solution is that the system is not closed. So where is the opening in the system? If the system is physically closed, then the influx of information must come from outside the physical realm."

ERIC HOLLOWAY, “DOES INFORMATION WEIGH SOMETHING AFTER ALL? WHAT IF IT DOES?”

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

Sea Breeze

The book of Leviticus was part of the Mosaic Law. The Israelites of ancient times were gathered to hear the law and to obey the principles in the Law, but not all of them were priests or kings. The king was supposed to make copies of the Law, and yet he did not take part in the direction for the priests. The priests didn't take part in the direction for the king. Not every Israelite was a priest and not every Israelite was a king, but they all could read the Law and the Prophets and learn from it.

It is the same today.

No, it is not at all the same today. All Christians are anointed, born again kings and priests.

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession - 1 Peter 2: 9

Just look at how many times Jesus offered it to whosoever.

Mat_7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Mat_16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mat_18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mar_8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mar_8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mar_9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

Mar_10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Luk_6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Luk_7:23 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

Luk_9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Luk_12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

Luk_14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk_18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

Joh_3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh_4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Joh_12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Act_10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Mt. 26: 27-28 plainly states that those who partake of the cup enter into an agreement "for the forgiveness of sins" ..... not a kingship, not a priesthood. That comes automatically after they get their sins forgiven by washing themselves clean in the blood covenant of the Lamb.

This is the ONLY hope taught by the apostles for the congregation of believers.. You are welcome to try and find a NT scripture that shows how you can get your sins forgive outside of the NC.....but there aren't any! Galatians 1: 8,9 says says that if a person preaches any other gospel other than what the apostles taught, they are double cursed.

You may be personally offended by that, but it is not slandering you. That is just the corective word of God. The word of God is supposed to be offensive when we are off track.

If you just want to be cursed for preaching a two tier salvation unknown to the apostles and drummed up by a man with a 7th grade education (becasue that is where you got it) go ahead. God will eventually let you have what you demand. Hopefully, it won't come to that.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed....if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. - Gal. 1: 8-9

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

Sea Breeze

@EasyPrompt,

I have asked you before if you are born again and you didn't answer. Scripture says to be ready always to explain the hope that is in you - 1 Peter 3: 15

It is not a personal attack, just scriptural. If you are going to represent yourself as Christian, you should be prepared to give an answer. It is a Christians duty. One that every Christian is glad to fulfill as their testimony.

I partake of the wine and the bread as evidence of that relationship with the Christ

I am glad to hear that EP. May I ask if you encourage others to accept this new covenant or do you still feel that it is limited to 144K like WT teaches?

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

Sea Breeze

It sounds good to me! ☺️ Jehovah God and the Lamb will fix everything.

@EasyPrompt

How could that sound good to you? As far as I know, you still reject the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" , right?

That is how a person makes peach with God.

Roman 1: 5, 9
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: "

Watchtower theology which you adopt rejects justification for most members.

"being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."

Can you provide even one NT scripture that gives you a shred of hope for Salvation without the New Covenant?

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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

by Fisherman in

jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

— luke 21:24 .

the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

Sea Breeze

Obviously, we are at the end part of this prophecy. Israel became a nation in 1948 and Jerusalem and the Temple mount was taken in 1967 during the 6-day war. The Arabs still have a lot of authority over the temple mount though, for now.

I believe that the times of the Gentiles are rapidly coming to a close. I see no reason to question the general evangelical explanation of the Gentile Times.

The Gentile Times began when the last Judean King was removed who sat on the "throne of Jehovah" - Zedekiah. They will end when the future and permanent Judean king will sit on the same throne in Jerusalem...."with all the nations gathered before him".

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The Messianic Prophecies and Their Fulfillment in Jesus

by aqwsed12345 in

the belief in the messiah, which has lived in the collective consciousness of humanity since ancient times, became completely obscured among the gentiles, and only remained with the jewish people, who were later chosen by god, as the prophecies of the prophets kept it alive.

there was only one great promise in the old testament from god, which awaited fulfillment!

only one great desire was there in the old testament on the part of man, longing for satisfaction.

Sea Breeze

GOD ,He /,she ,has had ample opportunity to speak to mankind over many serious events that have taken place in history, both ancient and modern ,and we have heard nothing .......,zilch, from any GOD ever.

Except for that time he predicted that he would raise himself from the dead, and then did it. Not to mention his other tens of thousands of words in the bible.

The problem isn't that God hasn't spoken. The problem is that most people don't like him.

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

Sea Breeze

Jesus said plainly, "Lazarus has died," his words jive with what is written in Ecclesiastes 9:5.

@EasyPrompt,

I agree with you. Jesus knew that the definition of death is separation of the various components of man - soul,body & spirit. You stated that you grew up in an atheist household, before becoming a JW. Have you ever gone to a bible school to learn the basics of biblical reading skills?

Here's an example of how heretics totally screw up exegesis of the bible.

Here are three scriptures, all from Ecclesiastes that proves Watchtower is full of nonsense - while stating that they, and they alone know which scriptures are limited in scope and which scriptures are not.

1. "a living dog is better than a dead lion." - Eccl. 9: 4

WT would call this limited because they certainly don't teach that there is nothing worth dying for. The WT loves martyrs and has created thousands of them with their wacky, wishy washy doctrines on blood, transplants, military service, Govt. I.D. cards etc. When people die for WT beliefs it adds credibility to their heresies. WT, would never take this statement literally as a universal truth.

Jesus also would not count this scripture as literal in a total sense. It might apply to a carnal person, who lives to fight another day, but that is about it. Jesus said that no man has greater love than this: that a man would give up his life on behalf of his friends.

2. "money is the answer for everything" - Eccl. 10: 19

The WT would not want people believing this literally because their members would actually have money to buy the things that they dream about taking from others after armageddon. Such an interpretation would mess up their carrot and stick donkey show they pull on families.

And of course Jesus famously said that "man doesn't live on bread alone but on everything that is from the mouth of the Lord." ; showing the limited scope of this verse as applying to "under the sun", in "this life".

3. Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

Here the WT believes that they alone know this verse insn't limited to just a person's body "under the sun" - although virtually all the other scriptures in Eccl. do appy to a limited scope of "under the sun". No, they want you to just turn your whole life over to them and if they get it wrong... Hey, what does it really matter? When you are dead, you won't know it or anything else for that matter - no biggy. right? WRONG.

Jesus warned people over and over and over about the dangers of eternal separation from God. He REALLY wants people to know that if they find themselves in that place, it was because THEY wanted it not him.

"fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul" - Mt. 10: 28

If people know that they will always be conscious .... somewhere; then that is a very powerful impetus to be alert not to do stupid stuff like the JW's do. Like rejecting an agreement "for the forgiveness of sins" the way they do at each Memorial. (SEE MT. 26: 27,28)

In the end, the phrase is uttered "Let thy will be done". Either man says it to God. Or, God will eventually say it to man.

What you believe matters.... A LOT.

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

Sea Breeze

the soul as you describe is metaphysical and very much a Christian idea, based on Plato’s teachings,

@Anymous

Wrong. Genesis 25: 18 predates Plato by a thousand years and many OT scriptures predating Plato describe the personhood of a soul.

(information does have mass)

Wrong again. Information does not have mass.

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The Messianic Prophecies and Their Fulfillment in Jesus

by aqwsed12345 in

the belief in the messiah, which has lived in the collective consciousness of humanity since ancient times, became completely obscured among the gentiles, and only remained with the jewish people, who were later chosen by god, as the prophecies of the prophets kept it alive.

there was only one great promise in the old testament from god, which awaited fulfillment!

only one great desire was there in the old testament on the part of man, longing for satisfaction.

Sea Breeze

@EP,

Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

I'm afraid that you won't get too far on this forum quoting the NWT new testament where they inserted the name Jehovah hundreds of times to fool readers when ZERO ancient manuscripts to support this.

Care to address the other examples from an Arian Heresy point of view?

Anybody Else Think JW Salvation Is Like This?

by Sea Breeze in

"you may be concealed in the day of jehovah's anger"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zyg4zbcopq&ab_channel=phildavisontv.

Sea Breeze

"You may be concealed in the day of Jehovah's anger"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZYg4ZbcOPQ&ab_channel=PhilDavisonTV